Was drinking this stuff last night. Georgious.

I guess the American imagery suggests an American influence and possibly
American hops - it certainly tasted like Cascade in there somwhere.

Is this beer anything to do with Roosters?

JP

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:32:36 +0000 (UTC), Jeff Pickthall
<jeffpickthall>'s owl flew in through the window
and dropped a message on which was scribed:

>Was drinking this stuff last night. Georgious.
>
>I guess the American imagery suggests an American influence and possibly
>American hops - it certainly tasted like Cascade in there somwhere.
>
>Is this beer anything to do with Roosters?

It is. Cascade and Willamette I think from the taste.

> Is this beer anything to do with Roosters?
>
Roosters put out their experimental beers under the Outlaw label. There
used to be a regular Outlaw beer called White Cloud. Don't know what
happened to that but it was very nice.

Cheers, Lee.

Is this a long-overdue opportunity to start the knighthood-for-Sean-Franklin
campaign?
Respect the Rooster.
Cheers,
Chris
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:18:58 +0100, Alan Perrow
<alan>'s owl flew in through the window and
dropped a message on which was scribed:

>In article <bf6qss$mov$1$8300dec7>, Chris Gleave
><chris> wrote:
>> Is this a long-overdue opportunity to start the
>> knighthood-for-Sean-Franklin campaign?
>
>I'll drink to that.
>Absolutely superb beers, and his Irish Oyster Stout shows what a 'real'
>Irish stout can be like!

St Sean of Knaresborough...

Hop genius, the things he can smell!

In message <43vdhvsnqo7i0ldpp08lgeifuboqlekrli>, Richard Parker
<news006> writes
>On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:18:58 +0100, Alan Perrow
><alan>'s owl flew in through the window and
>dropped a message on which was scribed:
>>St Sean of Knaresborough...
>
>Hop genius, the things he can smell!

The only time there were enough hopsin roosters are when they entered
hooligan for a hop competition & dosed it up, otherwise they all tast
the same ..

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:09:39 +0100, martyn dawe
<mdawe>'s owl flew in through the window and
dropped a message on which was scribed:

>
>In message <43vdhvsnqo7i0ldpp08lgeifuboqlekrli>, Richard Parker
><news006> writes
>
>The only time there were enough hopsin roosters are when they entered
>hooligan for a hop competition & dosed it up, otherwise they all tast
>the same ..

Palettes differ of course. But subtle hops'r'us *is* Roosters. Mind
you I like in your face massive hop brews too, as does M. Mousson.

Rich

Richard Parker wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:09:39 +0100, martyn dawe
><mdawe>'s owl flew in through the window and
>dropped a message on which was scribed:
>
>>>
>>The only time there were enough hopsin roosters are when they entered
>>hooligan for a hop competition & dosed it up, otherwise they all tast
>>the same ..
>>
>
>Palettes differ of course. But subtle hops'r'us *is* Roosters. Mind
>you I like in your face massive hop brews too, as does M. Mousson.
>

Indeed, subtle is the word... granted, it is a tad more difficult to
appreciate than up-your face stuff.

Count me in for the Sir Sean of Knaresborough campaign !

In article <3F17D609.6040806>,
The Submarine Captain <laurent.mousson> wrote:
> Richard Parker wrote:

> >On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:09:39 +0100, martyn dawe
> ><mdawe>'s owl flew in through the window and
> >dropped a message on which was scribed:
> >
> >>>
> >>The only time there were enough hopsin roosters are when they entered
> >>hooligan for a hop competition & dosed it up, otherwise they all tast
> >>the same ..
> >>
> >
> >Palettes differ of course. But subtle hops'r'us *is* Roosters. Mind
> >you I like in your face massive hop brews too, as does M. Mousson.
> >

> Indeed, subtle is the word... granted, it is a tad more difficult to
> appreciate than up-your face stuff.

> Count me in for the Sir Sean of Knaresborough campaign !

Ditto me. I really don't know how you can say White Cloud tasted like
Yankee. Both of which have to be in my Desert Island Beers somewhere.
There is a Roosters/Pioneer taste which is distinctive, but there are other
multifaceted tastes there as well.

In article <4c13ee051fPandora.is>,
Pandora <Pandora.is> wrote:
> In article <3F17D609.6040806>,
> The Submarine Captain <laurent.mousson> wrote:
> > Richard Parker wrote:

> > >On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:09:39 +0100, martyn dawe
> > ><mdawe>'s owl flew in through the window and
> > >dropped a message on which was scribed:
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>The only time there were enough hopsin roosters are when they entered
> > >>hooligan for a hop competition & dosed it up, otherwise they all tast
> > >>the same ..
> > >>
> > >
> > >Palettes differ of course. But subtle hops'r'us *is* Roosters. Mind
> > >you I like in your face massive hop brews too, as does M. Mousson.
> > >

> > Indeed, subtle is the word... granted, it is a tad more difficult to
> > appreciate than up-your face stuff.

> > Count me in for the Sir Sean of Knaresborough campaign !

> Ditto me.

But why Knaresborough?
Used to be Claro Industrial estate in Harrogate, has the brewery moved?
Whichever, I wish more places sold Sean's superb offerings:-(

> I really don't know how you can say White Cloud tasted like Yankee. Both
> of which have to be in my Desert Island Beers somewhere. There is a
> Roosters/Pioneer taste which is distinctive, but there are other
> multifaceted tastes there as well.

There's a bit of resemblence between some of Sean's beers and those of
Durham brewery, IMHO.
Apart from them both being excellent that is:-)

MikeMcG wrote:

>I think the difference in palates might also depend on how you define
>"enough hops" - to my tastebuds rooster's stuff has shedloads of hops,
>but mainly in terms of hoppy aroma/flavour (fresh, floral, fruity,
>spicy late- or dry-hop character) but with good, but not very strong
>bitterness. I personally tend to prefer beers which have a good bit of
>both.
>
Agreed... but it's always a pleasure having a pint of whichever's
Rooster's Outlaw's on when I'm in the UK. BTW they're great stuff to
demonstrate the "I-don't-like-beer" brigade that there's more to hops
than bitterness, and that beer can have tastes they never ever dreamt of...

>IIRC the lychees flavour he sometimes gets comes from a "noble"
>euro-hop, German Tettnanger (?)
>
correct spelling ! ;o)

>not a US one like Cascade; good tho
>they are, they tend IMO to be more grapefruit, bitter-orange or peach
>flavour.
>
Hmmm, I've mostly met Tettnanger in german lagers (and I seem to
remember certain Kölsches contain some), and the lychee edge never
really struck me. Granted, in a fruitier British ale, it certainly would
come out differently.... Thanks for pointing that out...

Cheers !

Laurent

The Submarine Captain <laurent.mousson> wrote in message news:0307
> MikeMcG wrote:
>
> >I think the difference in palates might also depend on how you define
> >"enough hops" - to my tastebuds rooster's stuff has shedloads of hops,
> >but mainly in terms of hoppy aroma/flavour (fresh, floral, fruity,
> >spicy late- or dry-hop character) but with good, but not very strong
> >bitterness. I personally tend to prefer beers which have a good bit of
> >both.
> >
> Agreed... but it's always a pleasure having a pint of whichever's
> Rooster's Outlaw's on when I'm in the UK.

yep, & I'll always have at least a pint if I spot them on a bar, as I
did recently at the Ship&Mitre & DrDuncan's in Liverpool.

> BTW they're great stuff to demonstrate the "I-don't-like-beer" brigade that
> there's more to hops than bitterness, and that beer can have tastes they
> never ever dreamt of...

so many drinkers, beerwriters, etc still don't understand the
difference between the terms hoppy and bitter.

> >IIRC the lychees flavour he sometimes gets comes from a "noble"
> >euro-hop, German Tettnanger (?)

> correct spelling ! ;o)

> >not a US one like Cascade; good tho
> >they are, they tend IMO to be more grapefruit, bitter-orange or peach
> >flavour.

> Hmmm, I've mostly met Tettnanger in german lagers (and I seem to
> remember certain Kölsches contain some), and the lychee edge never
> really struck me. Granted, in a fruitier British ale, it certainly would
> come out differently.... Thanks for pointing that out...

s'okay . . . I think that perhaps the way LordFranklinOfHarrogate uses
hops - his insistence on absolute freshness & late-hopping or
dry-hopping with lots of 'em - means that he gets flavours from them
that few brewers or drinkers would recognise even from well-known hop
varieties. (as you say using US & euro varieties in UK ales confuses
things even further!)

I know the same could be said of Coniston & their use of Challenger
hops in Bluebird (still quite an under-appreciated hop), rumour has it
that the brew that won CBoB used an incredibly fresh, fragrant batch
of hops - no disrespect intended to Coniston.
cheers
MikeMcG
mic (underscore) mac (at) postmaster (dot) co (dot) uk

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 1:39:49 +0100, MikeMcG wrote
(in message <1f0d85e1.0307211639.a0e4cc>):

> so many drinkers, beerwriters, etc still don't understand the difference
> between the terms hoppy and bitter.

In conversation with Mr Protz recently at a tatsting of Czech beers he used
the word "hoppy" to mean bitter.