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BBC iplayer
http://www.votivation.com/opinion.php?opinion_id=3118

I think that: BBC should allow viewers download and keep them indefinitely rather than set a 30 day period.
Because: The programmes produced by BBC has been paid through TV licence and therefore all programmes should be made available to viewers indefinitely. Moreover anyone outside the UK won't be able to download these video clips so wy limit downloads for 30 days.

Posted by: pittan
http://www.votivation.com/profile.ph...50761627406007

Thanks for your time.

The Votivation Team
www.votivation.com

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:20:02 +0000, pittan <opinions>
wrote:

>
>Promote democratic evolution and win cash! Please vote on the following opinion if you get a moment:
>
>BBC iplayer
>[..]
>
>I think that: BBC should allow viewers download and keep them indefinitely rather than set a 30 day period.
>Because: The programmes produced by BBC has been paid through TV licence and therefore all programmes should be made available to viewers indefinitely. Moreover anyone outside the UK won't be able to download these video clips so wy limit downloads for 30 days.
>
>Posted by: pittan
>[..]
>
>Thanks for your time.
>
>The Votivation Team
>[..]

Someone on here said that if you download it,change it's name and move
it to another drive or a disc then it will play forever .I'm waiting
to find out if this is true .

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:53:56 +0000, nobodyhome wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:20:02 +0000, pittan <opinions>
>wrote:
>>Someone on here said that if you download it,change it's name and move
>it to another drive or a disc then it will play forever .I'm waiting
>to find out if this is true .

It isn't.

On 10 Feb, 23:20, pittan <opini> wrote:
> Promote democratic evolution and win cash! Please vote on the following opinion if you get a moment:
>
> BBC iplayerhttp://www.votivation.com/opinion.php?opinion_id=3118
>
> I think that: BBC should allow viewers download and keep them indefinitely rather than set a 30 day period.
> Because: The programmes produced by BBC has been paid through TV licence and therefore all programmes should be made available to viewers indefinitely. Moreover anyone outside the UK won't be able to download these video clips so wy limit downloads for 30 days.
>
> Posted by: pittanhttp://www.votivation.com/profile.php?profile_user_id=v4m138805076162...
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> The Votivation Teamwww.votivation.com

Don't pay the license (and learn how to spell) ..... sorted!

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:48:45 -0800 (PST), Betty Swollocks
<stortford> wrote:

>On 10 Feb, 23:20, pittan <opini> wrote:
>
>Don't pay the license (and learn how to spell) ..... sorted!


the licence (noun)
to license (verb)

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:21:23 +0000, Derek R <derekr>
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:53:56 +0000, nobodyhome wrote:
>>It isn't.

Have you tried to do it?

The answer is that the file download is given a name to allow peer to
peer sharing. Trace the file on your Hard Drive - check the options in
the BBC player - and either copy elsewhere and re-name or if you don't
want to help with others downloads ie p2p then simply move the file or
re-name it.

km

pittan wrote:
> Because: The programmes produced by BBC has been paid through TV
> licence and therefore all programmes should be made available to
> viewers indefinitely. Moreover anyone outside the UK won't be able to
> download these video clips so wy limit downloads for 30 days.

You obviously know nothing about the rights issues surrounding TV programmes
and broadcasts. Go get a clue and then we can discuss it.

In article <XmUrj.9229$j95.8095>,
"Carl Waring" <email> writes:
> pittan wrote:
> > Because: The programmes produced by BBC has been paid through TV
> > licence and therefore all programmes should be made available to
> > viewers indefinitely. Moreover anyone outside the UK won't be able to
> > download these video clips so wy limit downloads for 30 days.
>
> You obviously know nothing about the rights issues surrounding TV programmes
> and broadcasts. Go get a clue and then we can discuss it.

BBC commissions programme. Production company makes programme. BBC pays
production company for prograqmme. Sorted. If the BBC doesn't own the
programme on behalf of the licence-fee payer after that transaction, the
system is fucked-up somewhere. Back in the days when the BBC made all of
its own programmes, it owned them, presumably. If outsourcing the
production doesn't result in ownership, it wasn't outsourcing, was it?

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:59:05 GMT, Robert Patrick Green scribed:

> the licence (noun)
> to license (verb)

BBC Tax (Legalised theft)

"Sam Nelson" <sam> wrote in message news:eln1
> In article <XmUrj.9229$j95.8095>,
> "Carl Waring" <email> writes:
>
> BBC commissions programme. Production company makes programme. BBC pays
> production company for prograqmme. Sorted. If the BBC doesn't own the
> programme on behalf of the licence-fee payer after that transaction, the
> system is fucked-up somewhere.

HBO took a big loss as a result of "Rome". Are you saying the BBC should
have produced the two series on its own and taken that loss instead ? Or
that the programme should never have been commissioned at all ?

> Back in the days when the BBC made all of
> its own programmes, it owned them, presumably.

They were also the days when very few TV programes were recorded.
And there was little if any after market for radio programmes.

Anyway things aren't quite that simple. ISTR The BBC had to pay rights to
the creators of either Muffin the Mule or Andy Pandy just like they do
the tellytubbies to use those characters in their programeas.


> If outsourcing the
> production doesn't result in ownership, it wasn't outsourcing, was it?


Eh ?????

Outsourcing in this context simply means buying in content for transmission
rather than tying up capital in staff and equipment by producing it yourself.

Rights ownership is irrelevant in this context. Rights ownership requires
resources in terms of staff for such things as policing, adminstration, and
marketing and involves a far greater degree of risk. Nobody's intersted in
owning the rights to lemons.

Co-productions and outsourcing allows originators to take a greater
degree of risk and be more innovative.


michael adams

"Ar" <Ar> wrote in message news:7dlg
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:59:05 GMT, Robert Patrick Green scribed:
>
> > the licence (noun)
> > to license (verb)
>
> BBC Tax (Legalised theft)

vs. 20 minutes of adverts every hour (Chav heaven)


michael adams

....

On 11 Feb, 09:59, s...@ssrl.org.uk (Sam Nelson) wrote:
> In article <XmUrj9229j958>,
>  "Carl Waring" <em> writes:
>>
> BBCcommissions programme.  Production company makes programme.  BBCpays
> production company for prograqmme.  Sorted.  If theBBCdoesn't own the
> programme on behalf of the licence-fee payer after that transaction, the
> system is fucked-up somewhere.  Back in the days when theBBCmade all of
> its own programmes, it owned them, presumably.  If outsourcing the
> production doesn't result in ownership, it wasn't outsourcing, was it?

The BBC has never owned it's own programmes in entirety, and doesn't
now either. Regardless of if they're made in house or not.

Independent production companies retain ownership over the programmes
they make. Scriptwriters retain copyright in their script. Rather
obviously nearly every programme uses some form of existing music,
which is owned by the music label concerned. Extracts from other
broadcasters used are owned by them. Quite a bit of the footage in
news reports comes from Reuters or the AP. Stills are owned by the
photographer or by a photo agency like Corbis. Sports events retain
their copyright in the action itself.

The BBC only licences content from all of these people on the basis of
showing it once, in a transitory way, and having to pay again if it
gets shown again. Why? Because it's cheaper. Billions and billions of
pounds cheaper a year. Your licence fee would be at least £800 a year
if the BBC bought an unlimited licence to all this stuff, even if it
could get such a licence (which it couldn't for a lot of it's most
valuable content, like book adaptions etc).

Phazer

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:15:35 GMT, Carl Waring <email>
wrote the following to uk.media.tv.misc:

> pittan wrote:
>> Because: The programmes produced by BBC has been paid through TV
>> licence and therefore all programmes should be made available to
>> viewers indefinitely. Moreover anyone outside the UK won't be able to
>> download these video clips so wy limit downloads for 30 days.
>
> You obviously know nothing about the rights issues surrounding TV programmes
> and broadcasts. Go get a clue and then we can discuss it.

Votivation is a pay per click spamhaus. Its users don't care what people
think as long as they can get their commission.

mh.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:15:35 GMT, "Carl Waring"
<email> wrote:

>pittan wrote:
>> Because: The programmes produced by BBC has been paid through TV
>> licence and therefore all programmes should be made available to
>> viewers indefinitely. Moreover anyone outside the UK won't be able to
>> download these video clips so wy limit downloads for 30 days.
>
>You obviously know nothing about the rights issues surrounding TV programmes
>and broadcasts. Go get a clue and then we can discuss it.

But the whole DRM thing in iPlayer is rather pointless. We can all
record things to DVD/HD (or even good old fashioned videotape) and
watch them a month, a year or a decade from now. Not a damn thing the
BBC can do about it. Not so much a case of shutting the stable door
after the horse has bolted, as shutting the stable door, while the
back door is wide open, on broken hinges and without a lock even
fitted to it in the first place.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:21:23 +0000, Derek R <derekr>
wrote:

>>Someone on here said that if you download it,change it's name and move
>>it to another drive or a disc then it will play forever .I'm waiting
>>to find out if this is true .
>
>It isn't.

It's worse than that. If you download it, but don't watch it within
seven days, then when you come to watch it later (still within the
supposed thirty day limit) you might find that the DRM licence is no
longer available and you're fucked. I downloaded a programme for
someone a couple of weeks ago, and took the WMV file round at the
weekend only to find it wouldn't play on their PC because of this.
Lesson learned. Next time I won't bother with iPlayer and the BBC's
stupidly paranoid DRM crap. I'll just go straight to one of the
"nova" bittorrent sites. Well done, BBC.