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From: Max Pratt
To: maxpratt
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 1:18 AM
Subject: Petition against anti-naturist signs at Fraisthorpe naturist
beach.þ


Hello fellow naturists,

Fraisthorpe beach in Yorkshire England has been used by naturists for
over 60 years, and is still regularly used for nude swimming &
sunbathing today.

However, East Riding of Yorkshire Council have recently erected 'anti-
naturist' signs that deliberately mislead the public and intimidates
genuine naturists from using the beach.

Please can you sign the petition against these signs.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/fraisthorpesigns/

Humberside Police have confirmed that naturism at Fraisthorpe beach is
not unlawful. The council have gone beyond their powers in the
erection of these intimidatory signs.

Thanks for your help. :)

Max Pratt
Sheffield South Yorkshire
England United Kingdom
http://profiles.yahoo.com/max.pratt
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fraisthorpe_Naturists/

On 31 Mar, 18:29, deejaycee <1137511> wrote:
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> not unlawful. The council have gone beyond their powers in the
> erection of these intimidatory signs.
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> Thanks for your help. :)
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> Max Pratt
> Sheffield South Yorkshire
> England United Kingdomhttp://profiles.yahoo.com/max.pratthttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fraisthorpe_Naturists/- Hide quoted text -
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Do a Naked Protest, & make sure it gets mentioned in the local press:

http://www.nakedinthanet.com/gallery...?g2_itemId=726

On 1 Apr, 19:56, peterchecksfi...@googlemail.com wrote:
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Fraisthorpe `naturist` beach has absolutely nothing to do with
naturism, at least it hadn`t the last time i was there. Think more
along the theme of Soddom & Gomorrah and you get the idea. I`m not
surprised the council have banned naturism on this beach. I for one
would never use this beach again unless it was patrolled in some
way. Hamish.

"Hamish" <astra4> wrote in message
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> Fraisthorpe `naturist` beach has absolutely nothing to do with
naturism, at least it hadn`t the last time i was there. Think more
along the theme of Soddom & Gomorrah and you get the idea. I`m not
surprised the council have banned naturism on this beach. I for one
would never use this beach again unless it was patrolled in some
way. Hamish.

If it is the case that the beach is being used for illegal public displays
of sexual activity, then surely the council should seek to ban that, and not
ban naturism. The Council and the naturists ought to be on the same side and
if necessary, the beach should be patrolled to deter any illegal activity.

If you try to ban naturism, all you do is drive away a group of law abiding
citizens.

> Fraisthorpe `naturist` beach has absolutely nothing to do with
> naturism, at least it hadn`t the last time i was there.  Think more
> along the theme of Soddom & Gomorrah and you get the idea.  I`m not
> surprised the council have banned naturism on this beach.    I for one
> would never use this beach again unless it was patrolled in some
> way.             Hamish.

Years ago now, I had my first "encounter" with a naturist beach. At
that time I was living in Morecambe, Lancashire, a seaside resort that
at that stage was declining fast and desperate to think of some new
gimmick to broaden its appeal. Having learned of the apparent success
of a naturist beach at Brighton, local Councillors decided to vary the
bye-laws relating to a particular section of beach so as to allow a
similar usage.

Quite what they thought would happen, I've no idea, but then civic
pride is often wildly self-delusional, as was the case there: grey
skies, not hot sun; mud and pebbles, not golden sand; a biting
westerly wind, not some soothing breeze in off a warm ocean.

The chosen section of the beach could be seen by anyone walking along
the eastern end of the prom, and as I often did just that it was
noticeable how an aesthetically unattractive bit of coastline had
suddenly turned downright ugly: no families, no youngsters, no
couples, just single men ranging in years from middle age to elderly,
not naked at all, but wearing vests or even jumpers to ward off the
cold. And this was. . . naturism? Blokes half dressed so as to
showcase their genitalia?

How sad. How. . . yukky.

I've no idea whether Fraisthorpe 'naturist' beach remotely resembles
what went on at Morecambe, but I do know everyone in the local
community breathed a sigh of relief when the byelaw was re-instated
and the "naturist beach" experiment was brought to an abrupt end. Yes,
one or two voices were raised about "freedom" and "liberty", but no
amount of invocation of genuine principle was ever going to alter the
fact that there are no principles when it comes to the sad, the
grubby, and the sleazy.

Sadly, what with that experience, and a later inadvertent encounter
with yet another "naturist" beach near Marbella -- my wife and I had
no idea we were walking across such until naked and half naked men
began to rise up from the sand dunes like bloody weeds and stare at us
-- it's been no wonder that our family never had the slightest
interest in naturism for decades, something that we now realise was
our loss, along with the realisation that what we'd previously
experienced actually had nothing to do with naturism at all.

On 2 Apr, 10:28, "AndyC" <web-em> wrote:
> "Hamish" <ast> wrote in message
>
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>> naturism, at least it hadn`t the last time i was there.  Think more
> along the theme of Soddom & Gomorrah and you get the idea.  I`m not
> surprised the council have banned naturism on this beach.    I for one
> would never use this beach again unless it was patrolled in some
> way.             Hamish.
>
> If it is the case that the beach is being used for illegal public displays
> of sexual activity, then surely the council should seek to ban that, and not
> ban naturism. The Council and the naturists ought to be on the same side and
> if necessary, the beach should be patrolled to deter any illegal activity.
>
> If you try to ban naturism, all you do is drive away a group of law abiding
> citizens.

On the 2 occasions i went to Fraisthorpe (albeit many years ago )
there were no naturists on the beach, quite a few naked men & a
couple of women, but they were either engaged in sexual activity or
watching the performance. I can only assume that the genuine
naturists had been driven away. I agree that the beach should be
patrolled, but i fear that it`s too late now, the `official` status
was taken away many years ago & i just can`t see it ever being
restored. Hamish

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I started an E-petition for for more clothing optional places and also
signed another one asking that nudity effectivrely be a human right.
Despite having relatively high number sof signatures both these
petitions were dismissed by government without good or rational
explanations. Your petition runs for far too long to be effiective
for this year and in any event will be almost be dismissed with words
like "It is a matter for local government". National government has
washed its hands of naturist matters leaving them totally to local
authorities.

As has been said there appear to be genuine issues with Fraisethorpe
which may make it not a very nice beach. It is a local rather than a
national matter so any petition or protest should be made locally.
H&E has in the past championed this beach and you can write to them
through their website. I agree that a proper protest will be far more
effective than a petition. Write to the local press and sound out
local opinions before taking any drastic action.

E-petitions are just a government ruse to make the poeple think they
have a voice when the government has no intentions of ever taking any
real note of them. They are a complete waste of time.

Good luck anyway.

Freecospirit.

"Hamish" <astra4> wrote in message
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On 2 Apr, 10:28, "AndyC" <web-em> wrote:

> On the 2 occasions i went to Fraisthorpe (albeit many years ago )
there were no naturists on the beach, quite a few naked men & a
couple of women, but they were either engaged in sexual activity or
watching the performance. I can only assume that the genuine
naturists had been driven away. I agree that the beach should be
patrolled, but i fear that it`s too late now, the `official` status
was taken away many years ago & i just can`t see it ever being
restored. Hamish

We don't really need official status. All we actually need is enough
naturists to use the beach and not be intimidated.

Official status is usually granted as a polite gesture to rid other close by
areas of naturism. Official status confines naturism to a set area. Official
status is only granted because the landowners are otherwise powerless to rid
the area of naturism completely. The last thing we really need is official
status, except perhaps in places where there is a history of hostility
toward naturists. Hyde Park springs to mind.

"FREECOPSIRIT" <freecospirit> wrote in message
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> I started an E-petition for for more clothing optional places and also
signed another one asking that nudity effectivrely be a human right.
Despite having relatively high number sof signatures both these
petitions were dismissed by government without good or rational
explanations. Your petition runs for far too long to be effiective
for this year and in any event will be almost be dismissed with words
like "It is a matter for local government". National government has
washed its hands of naturist matters leaving them totally to local
authorities.

If you are looking for more clothing optional places, then perhaps this *is*
a matter for local goverment. If the 16,000 or so members of BN all wrote to
the LA to ask what naturist or clothes optional facilities were available
and what their council does to promote naturism in the area, the volume of
interest might get them to address the issue.

I have written to various councils, MPs, pools (private and public) and the
stock answer is: THERE IS NO DEMAND. That concept needs to be changed before
we can get anywhere.

In uk.rec.naturist on Wednesday 02 April 2008 15:25, Hamish wrote:

> On the 2 occasions i went to Fraisthorpe (albeit many years ago )
> there were no naturists on the beach, quite a few naked men & a
> couple of women, but they were either engaged in sexual activity or
> watching the performance. I can only assume that the genuine
> naturists had been driven away. I agree that the beach should be
> patrolled, but i fear that it`s too late now, the `official` status
> was taken away many years ago & i just can`t see it ever being
> restored. Hamish

The same thing happens on official naturist beaches, although I have yet to
encounter an orgy of the type that is frequently described. However,
textile beaches, being more numerous and often more easily accessible, see
much more of this activity. A case in point is the St Annes on Sea
("Pontins") beach just south of Blackpool, which has long been used by
swingers and cruisers.

The people who engage in sexual activity at Fraisthope are obviously under
the impression that anyone else in the vicinity is either a potential
participant/observer or is willing to turn a blind eye. The best way to
show them the error of their ways would be for "genuine" naturists to start
using the beach. Otherwise, we give up one of our few beaches, the sexual
activity continues, and the local Moral Brigade can keep congratulating
themselves on having done the "right thing" by banning naturism.