On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:23:01 -0700, "Richard C."
<post-age> wrote:

>"Anna" <annaliddell> wrote in message
>news:1ce6

>> Here are the facts.
....
>=======================
>Look!
>
>I dislike him because of his politics and lack of constancy, but YOU are a
>biggot and an idiot! Give it yup, you tit!
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The fact that Mr. Poly Anna is against him is a nice endorsement.

Stuffed Tiger <NotMe> wrote in
news:hbab64hf8djennbd4buck5obmmhjkp3657:

> The fact that Mr. Poly Anna is against him is a nice endorsement.

Oh yeah. That's why *I'm* voting for him.

If Anna keeps it up, I hear even Richard is going to vote for him too.
(Richard will deny it, but we all know it's true). Way to go, Anna!

Thanks!

On Jun 27, 7:09 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
[..]
>>
>
> Anna....so why is he better long term than McCain...you have never
> explained why....and how would you know what obama will do when all
> issues that come down the pike...he has flip flopped on them.....the
> only issue he has not flip flopped on is abortion....is that the issue
> that is most important to you and you do not want to admit it....geesh
> lets be honest...jz

It is the whole Frog in the boiling water analogy. If you put a frog
in a pot of boiling water it will jump out. But if you put a frog into
a pot of lukewarm water and turn up the heat gradually the frog will
just sit there not even realizing it is being boiled alive.

Obama is more socialist than McCain, but because he is it would be
harder for him to get socialist policies through. People would be
naturally suspicious to what he will do and a backlash will develop
against him. But McCain, although he is a RINO, people (well at the
least the press) will consider him a conservative and just like as the
quote said "Only Nixon could go to China McCain will succeed in
getting socialist policies past where people would consider them too
extreme if Obama proposed the same policies.

With McCain in four years the Republican Party will be so deflated (if
they aren't all ready) that a Democrat will have it easy beating him.
Besides I don't believe either McCain or Obama the economic problems
we have are going to be solved. Neither of them has the answers in
that area so it isn't who is going to make our country economic better
because nether of the two candidates will. We are deciding who gets
the blame. I want the Democrats to get the blame.

McCain hates conservatives within the Republican party intensely.
Being President gives one a lot of influence over what goes on within
his own party. McCain will use that power to purge conservatives out
of any position of influence within the Republican Party. And if
nether party represents conservatives do we have any chance of
changing things around?

Obama might create the backlash needed to get a true conservative next
time around. There is historical precedent for this happening. Because
of Clinton the Congress became Republican for the first time in 40
years (for all the good that did). Because of Carter we got Reagan
who ended the Cold War. Only another person like Reagan will save us.

Look, the history of the Democratic party has been in recent years to
put up a more liberal candidate each election. Sooner or later (yeah
probably sooner) the Republicans are going to lose the White House and
then a socialist as bad or probably even worse than Obama will be
elected. So it's inevitable. And since it's inevitable I rather have
it happen now when there are still enough conservatism left in our
country that could fight it.

There is my reasons. I didn't say things are going to get better with
Obama. Things will be very bad indeed. But that is why I emphasized
Long Term. Perhaps McCain would be better in the short term (but like
I said I don't think he will turn around the economy) but then where
will that lead us? We must look at these things in a perspective that
is more than just one election but how the one election will effect us
for generations to come.

On Jun 27, 7:09 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
[..]
>>
>
> Anna....so why is he better long term than McCain...you have never
> explained why....and how would you know what obama will do when all
> issues that come down the pike...he has flip flopped on them.....the
> only issue he has not flip flopped on is abortion....is that the issue
> that is most important to you and you do not want to admit it....geesh
> lets be honest...jz

If Obama flips flops it means that he becomes more conservative and
that isn't bad. I do think reality is going to slap him in the face
and he won't fulfill some of the promises that he has promised his
base. And when that happens they are going to turn on him quickly. And
that will be fun to watch. The problem with being a Messiah is that
you have to deliver and if you don't you will have so deeply
disappoint the people who saw you as all but God that they will come
to hate you.

McCain will flip flop too, and that means he will move to the Left.
And I believe one of the issues he is going to flip flop is Iraq.

On Jun 27, 8:09 pm, "Terry J. Wood" <TerryJW> wrote:
> Stuffed Tiger <No> wrote innews:hbab64hf8djennbd4buck5obmmhjkp3657:
>
> > The fact that Mr. Poly Anna is against him is a nice endorsement.
>
> Oh yeah. That's why *I'm* voting for him.
>
> If Anna keeps it up, I hear even Richard is going to vote for him too.
> (Richard will deny it, but we all know it's true). Way to go, Anna!
>
> Thanks!

I support Obama.

But not because I am an American hater like you Terry.

But because in the long term a RINO like McCain will do much more
damage and a backlash against Obama could just be this country's last
chance.

On Jun 27, 5:14 pm, "D. Kirkpatrick" <sunc> wrote:
> In article
> <fbfa8937-7e32-417e-b8ce-2ed5ee771>,
>
> Anna <annalidd> wrote:
> > Just found this out. Legally Obama is a Arab.
>
> > Here are the facts.
>
> Gad.

Facts are facts. In the eyes of US law Obama is an Arab American!

Kenyan Obamas are listed in the Kenyan census as Arab African not as
Tribal 'Black' African. His father's great great grandmother was a
Tribal African.

Therefore by ethnic lines Obama is is 50% Caucasian, 43.75% Arab, and
6.25% Black African (from where the Senator gets his skin
pigmentation)

His FATHER would be considered African American (had he ever become an
US citizen which he never did, he remained Kenyan for all his life and
except for going to the University in Hawaii where he met Obama's
Mother I don't know if he even set foot in America), because the
thresh-hold is 12.5 percent. But Obama can't claim that any longer.

On Jun 27, 8:04 pm, Stuffed Tiger <No> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:23:01 -0700, "Richard C."
>>
> <post-> wrote:
> ...
>> The fact that Mr. Poly Anna is against him is a nice endorsement.

Yet, you don't seem to care that Obama is endorsed by Castro

I guess we know where your allegiances are, heh Comrade!

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/22...a-endorsement/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2014790/posts

The Next Four Years will send America to the Brink. But perhaps it
like what they say about alcoholics. You have to hit rock bottom
before you can start to recover. And we have been drinking the
socialist poison so long perhaps a big gulp of it will make us throw
it all up and never try it again.

I have to have faith in the American people and the American system
itself to survive this. But with McCain its a death by a thousand
cuts. He really is the master "frog cooker" so I can't really see any
other option.

On Jun 27, 8:43 pm, stinson_h...@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:01:25 -0500, "Terry J. Wood"
>
> <TerryJW> wrote:
>>
> Okay. Let's meet up at his club in ,say, three weeks. I'll bring all
> of the recovering republican materials.
>
> -T.

You know how you all say that if one goes to a nudist camp once, just
once that the person's whole opinion of nudists would change to the
positive.

Well I am going to ask you to do the following.

Just for one week, listen to the Michael Savage show. Just for one
week but reserving final judgment until the last hour of the week.

Lots of people have said that they hated him until they actually
listened to him and then he started making sense.

But of course you are probably afraid to give another perspective a
chance, right?

http://streamingradioguide.com/radio-show.php?show=328

Believe it or not, except for him parading around nude in front of
textiles, I have much respect for Richard. And I doubt you are going
to change his mind and make him into a liberal. But go ahead, try.
Perhaps he will be able to convince you that liberalism is not only
wrong, it leads to evil things happening. Just today I heard on the
radio where a whole family (except the mother) was killed by an
illegal alien in San Francisco. They were just going to work after a
barbecue, it was a father and his two boys just 16 and 21. Well of
course that is bad enough but what is worse is that the illegal had
been picked up previously for a gun violation (the gun had the
previous day been used for a murder) but the District Attorney said
she didn't have enough evidence to prosecute.

I don't know how anyone could hear such a story and not realize the
evil that has been caused in our society by liberalism. The person who
could do that would either be stupid, heartless or a power mad
partisan.

On Jun 27, 10:17 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
[..]
> base. And when that happens they are going to turn on him quickly. And
> that will be fun to watch. The problem with being a Messiah is that
> you have to deliver and if you don't you will have so deeply
> disappoint the people who saw you as all but God that they will come
> to hate you.
>
> McCain will flip flop too, and that means he will move to the Left.
> And I believe one of the issues he is going to flip flop is Iraq.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

well ok....i have a hard time believing McCain will flip flop on
iraq...and one other question.....who is mike savage....i have a hard
time with that name....it is scary...he he....what network carries
this guy....and when is he on....is it on shortwave....jz

On Jun 27, 11:38 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
[..]
>>
>>
> well ok....i have a hard time believing McCain will flip flop on
> iraq...and one other question.....who is mike savage....i have a hard
> time with that name....it is scary...he he....what network carries
> this guy....and when is he on....is it on shortwave....jz

I don't see a full flip flop but I do see like with Bush a tightening
of the Rules of Engagement that will lead to more unnecessary death to
US troops, and it is possible, just possible he might try some sort of
appeasement.

Michael Savage is a talk show host heard on stations all over the US.
But if you are not in the US you can still listen though the internet.

This link gives the time and locations of the show.

http://streamingradioguide.com/radio-show.php?show=328

I recommend listening him for a week, just a week. The reason I say a
week is if you listen to him for an hour or so you might hear
something that you accidentally take out of context. But if you
listen for a week before just turning him off you will start
appreciating where he is coming from, you might start to understand
what he is saying in context, and it is pretty likely that you will
realize that he and his callers make sense.

On Jun 27, 11:38 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
[..]
>>
>>
> well ok....i have a hard time believing McCain will flip flop on
> iraq...and one other question.....who is mike savage....i have a hard
> time with that name....it is scary...he he....what network carries
> this guy....and when is he on....is it on shortwave....jz

Here is another link to listen to Michael Savage on line.

http://radiotime.com/program/p_20626...ge_Nation.aspx

Only people who are so liberal they can't listen to alternative views
would not be able to listen to him and realize that what he is saying
is just common sense.

In article <sunclad-F2DEC6.20140827062008>,
"D. Kirkpatrick" <sunclad> wrote:

> In article
> <fbfa8937-7e32-417e-b8ce-2ed5ee771ce6>,
> Anna <annaliddell> wrote:
>
> > Just found this out. Legally Obama is a Arab.
> >
> > Here are the facts.
>>
> Gad.

But is he a nudist?

Seriously, I've gotten really intense with the use of my killfile.

1. Idiots like Anna.
2. Those who feel compelled to respond to all of the posts from idiots.
3. Certain cross-posted junk. Unfortunately, this is one of them, so I
will not see any replies to this post. Every single post I see on
rec.nude that is cross-posted to the UK naturist group basically states
that Anna is an idiot. Thanks, but I already know that he's an idiot.
I would suggest that people on urn killfile crossposts from rfc.
4. Posts that are too long. I'm sure that I'm missing some good stuff,
but I just got sick of 100 lines of quoted material, followed by one
line of "I agree".
5. Certain spam.

In message
<fbfa8937-7e32-417e-b8ce-2ed5ee771ce6>,
Anna <annaliddell> writes
>
>Therefore by ethnic lines Obama is is 50% Caucasian, 43.75% Arab, and
>6.25% Black African (from where the Senator gets his skin
>pigmentation)
>
Anyone who believes that it is possible for someone to be "50%
Caucasian, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% Black African" is an ignoramus who
ought to learn a bit of elementary genetics.

Obama's skin pigmentation comes from a number of different genes (about
4-6 genes are thought to be involved depending on the person) and those
genes could come from either parent (overall, barring genetic accidents,
50% of your genes come from each parent). There is no way to tell where
he got his specific genes from without doing DNA tests on him and his
parents (and earlier forebears, if that is relevant).

Legally, Obama is a USAmerican citizen born in the USA, which is all
that matters for being eligible to be President. The only other details
that matter to anyone are what he is likely to do once in office.

By all means debate his policies (not in uk.rec.naturist), but you only
make yourself look stupid by posting this stuff.

On Jun 29, 4:19 am, Richard Burnham <c> wrote:
> In message
> <fbfa8937-7e32-417e-b8ce-2ed5ee771>,
> Anna <annalidd> writes
>> Anyone who believes that it is possible for someone to be "50%
> Caucasian, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% Black African" is an ignoramus who
> ought to learn a bit of elementary genetics.
>
> Obama's skin pigmentation comes from a number of different genes (about
> 4-6 genes are thought to be involved depending on the person) and those
> genes could come from either parent (overall, barring genetic accidents,
> 50% of your genes come from each parent). There is no way to tell where
> he got his specific genes from without doing DNA tests on him and his
> parents (and earlier forebears, if that is relevant).

We are not talking genes here so much as ethnicity. And yes, there is
a scientific way to determine ethnicity. They do all the time in
Native American Claims.

Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and
43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While
Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was
mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African
Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's
Arab, not African Negro).

True Negro tribal members of western Kenya where his father was born
have Christian names, not Arabic. His father’s decision to name him
with an Arabic name is a matter of his father establishing his ethnic
identity in Africa - it is done deliberately to separate him from the
African tribes. He may live among them, but he is not one of them. His
father’s message is that he is Arabic, not Negro.

Many will find these truths unsettling. I’m often asked, “But I
thought his father was Kenyan. How could Mr. Obama not be African-
American, how could his ethnic composition be so Arabic?”

The definitive clue to that answer is to look at his name, his
father’s name, and the names of all his ancestors on his father’s
side. They are all Arabic.

Researching his roots reveal that on his father’s side, he is
descended from Arab slave traders. They operated under an extended
grant from Queen Victoria, who gave them the right to continue the
slave trade in exchange for helping the British defeat the Madhi Army
in southern Sudan and the Upper Nile region.

As for relevant or not, well it shouldn't be. We should live in a
country where that doesn't matter but that isn't a country that exists
yet and Obama's candidacy proves that.

A first term US Senator (hasn't even finished his first term)? Would
anyone even consider such a person worthy of even thinking of running
for President if he wasn't perceived as Black? Of course not. So you
can't have a campaign where race is the overriding consideration and
say his true ethnicity doesn't matter. If race doesn't matter then
Obama shouldn't be running. So, unfortunately, YES, it does matter. In
a country where the scars of slavery still cut deep, to have a
candidate whose ancestors were both slave traders and slave owners run
on an "Affirmative Action - Diversity" ticket it matters a lot.

> Legally, Obama is a US American citizen born in the USA, which is all
> that matters for being eligible to be President.

Legally both Obama and McCain meets the legal qualifications to be
eligible to be President. One has to be born in America and/or have
at least one of their parents be an American at time of birth. I am
not sure what is done in cases where a territory (like say most
recently Alaska or Hawaii) wasn't part of the United States at the
time of the person's birth but became part of the US later on. I would
have to guess that they are somehow grandfathered in. But in the case
of Obama, he was born in Hawaii after they became a state (so that
little twist doesn't come into play) and his mother was a US citizen
at the time of his birth so he is qualified on both counts.

I am really grateful that our founders had the foresight to put the no
naturalized citizens rule in. I do believe though we need to redefine
citizenship as being only that at least one of your parents were US
citizens at time of birth and in the cases of dual citizenship the
individual has renounced the foreign citizenship by the age of 21.
None of this being born on American soil stuff as that just causes
anchor babies.

Obama is a Marxist. I am not just calling him names here. In 1996 in a
local state senate race he sought and gained the endorsement of a
Marxist third party. His mentor while he was Hawaii was a member of
Communist Party USA. He associated himself (until recently of course)
with a church that taught Marxist Liberation Theology. Obama is a
modern day Hitler. And if I was only care about the next four years I
would strongly oppose him becoming president.

But I can't look at this in a vacuum. I don't only care with what
America is going to be like four years from now. I am still young
enough to care about what it will look like 20 years from now, 40
years from now. And Damn the Republicans, damn them to hell, they have
giving a me a situation even worse than Obama. While Obama would
indeed be America's first Marxist President, McCain will totally
destroy the conservative movement within the Republican party, and
without that in 20 years from now (perhaps even less) we will be more
socialist than Obama's wildest wet dreams.

So, I am going to have to subject the country I love more than
anything, more than life itself to a modern day Hitler. And I hate
the Republicans for forcing me into this position. Hate them beyond
belief. But I am going to have to hope that the balance of powers
that the US constitution provided and the underlining decency of at
least 70 percent of Americans will succeed where Germany failed. I am
going have to hope that we can resist this modern day Hitler and at
the end come out stronger for the struggle. It is an act of
desperation on my part indeed, but it could be America's last hope.

Now I had explained in detail in previous posts why McCain must not
win. Heck, if I believe in the Mayan Calender myth about the world
ending in 2012 then I would vote McCain, but to me if we become
socialist in four years from now, eight years from now, twenty years
from now we still become socialist. What we really need is a change in
direction and hopefully that is what the backlash against Obama will
bring. After all it took Carter to get us Reagan. I am not saying it
is going to be pretty. It is going to be ugly beyond imagine, but it's
our last chance.

> The only other details
> that matter to anyone are what he is likely to do once in office.

> By all means debate his policies.

Obama thrives on not being specific, but from his associations over
the years and offhand statements made by himself and his wife they are
Marxist in leaning. But fortunately in America a President's power
isn't absolute so I believe he would be even less successful in
getting Marxism enacted than McCain would. After all it took Nixon to
go to China. McCain has some of the same socialist leanings (look at
his "plan" on global warming) but isn't seen to be the socialist that
Obama is. And that is what makes him more dangerous.

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Oh, by the way, I know how you Brits hate the Jews and all. I don't
think Israel will survive Obama. But as an American my concern has to
be with America not any other country and perhaps Israel's destruction
will be the kick in the head America needs to turn us around.

"Terry J. Wood" <TerryJWood> wrote in message
news:ters
> "Richard C." <post-age> wrote in
> news:U7OdnVdeGcNpvPjVnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d:
>
>> I dislike him because of his politics and lack of constancy
>
> Come on! You dislike him because he's a textile. Admit it.

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That too!