On Jun 29, 5:05 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
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> All this of course is quite academic because it is all but history. I
> am pretty astute in politics and can get a sense of general trends.
> This election has the feel of 1992 and in some ways 1996.  There is
> very little chance of anything but an Obama win so all we can do is
> wait for the chaos to begin and hope and pray that a Reagan figure
> will emerge to put all the pieces back together and set us upon the
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well Anna...i am sorry to hear that the Bible prophesy of the jews
remaining viable government until armagaedon does not have much
meaning to you...it seems you have no basis for thought other than the
past.....well i have faith that the jews will not be conquered and if
they are then the Bible is in question....even for me.....so now you
want obama because you think that a strong continuing support of
israel will cost us too much and there is no need they will lose
anyway....hmmmm...jz

Mark wrote:
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> "Marc" <initial.surname> wrote in message
> news:nz2d
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> So would anna and jonzee......

It's true, merkins don't do irony

On Jun 29, 3:26 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
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>> well Anna...i am sorry to hear that the Bible prophesy of the jews
> remaining viable government until armagaedon does not have much
> meaning to you...it seems you have no basis for thought other than the
> past.....well i have faith that the jews will not be conquered and if
> they are then the Bible is in question....even for me.....so now you
> want obama because you think that a strong continuing support of
> israel will cost us too much and there is no need they will lose
> anyway....hmmmm...jz

Well Perhaps Israel will survive Obama. I don't know how though.
Because Obama and Olmert sure sounds like a knockout double punch to
the Jewish State,

But, perhaps somehow they do somehow.

Sorry, Brits. Zee might be correct.

By the way, except for the Biblical response I have never heard of a
good reason from an American perspective why we should support the
Israelis as strongly as we do, And of course as an American that is
what I demand from the American government, to do what is in the best
interests of America, just like no doubt the Brits demand that their
leaders do what is in their interests, just like the citizens of any
country should demand of their leaders. With Obama, though I fear that
because his father was from Kenya he might sacrifice at times American
interests to Kenyan interests.

But then again, McCain might be being blackmailed by the Vietnam
government and didn't he have some lobbyists who were in his campaign
that was employed by a foreign government? And he is has on his
campaign some guy who worked for the Mexican President who said all
Americans of Mexican ancestry (I don't know what percentage he didn't
specify) should think of Mexico First.

And then of course we have McCain going around the world fundraising
like to London and places like that. What's up with that? I have never
heard of a candidate doing that before. What the Fuck is he getting
money from people in London for?

On Jun 29, 3:26 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
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>> well Anna...i am sorry to hear that the Bible prophesy of the jews
> remaining viable government until armagaedon does not have much
> meaning to you...it seems you have no basis for thought other than the
> past.....well i have faith that the jews will not be conquered and if
> they are then the Bible is in question....even for me.....so now you
> want obama because you think that a strong continuing support of
> israel will cost us too much and there is no need they will lose
> anyway....hmmmm...jz

Obama is going to win. That is just how it is going to be and we can't
change it. I remember 1992 and 1996 and this year has that kind of
feel to it. But then I also remember 1980 and 1994 (for all the good
that did) so we just have to pray that things are going to turn around
for the better.

On Jun 29, 3:26 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 5:05 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
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> well Anna...i am sorry to hear that the Bible prophesy of the jews
> remaining viable government until armagaedon does not have much
> meaning to you...

Well I guess that would indeed mean that Obama is the antichrist then
and it would also fall in line with Mayan prophesy.

Still I see the Antichrist as being far more popular than even Obama
and him coming from Europe and taking over the EU. And I see that
happening at least 40 perhaps 20 but more likely 40 years from now
though it could happen later.

On Jun 29, 4:46 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
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> Well I guess that would indeed mean that Obama is the antichrist then
> and it would also fall in line with Mayan prophesy.
>
> Still I see the Antichrist as being far more popular than even Obama
> and him coming from Europe and taking over the EU. And I see that
> happening at least 40 perhaps 20 but more likely 40 years from now
> though it could happen later.

There is a prophesy that says after this current Pope there is only
one left. So I guess that could fit depending on how long this Pope
lives and how long the next Pope is around before the antichrist
comes on the scene, either the idea that Obama is the antichrist or
the antichrist is still a generation or so off. But of course the idea
of Obama being the Antichrist fits better with Mayan prophesy.

I always thought of the antichrist being European though and becoming
the head of a new Roman Empire (ie the EU).

On Jun 29, 6:43 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
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> Obama is going to win. That is just how it is going to be and we can't
> change it. I remember 1992 and 1996 and this year has that kind of
> feel to it. But then I also remember 1980 and 1994 (for all the good
> that did) so we just have to pray that things are going to turn around
> for the better.- Hide quoted text -
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well it is not cast in stone although the polls show him two digits
ahead....peer groups are hard to tap into when taking polls....the
hillary peer group has 23 percent that is voting for mccain and that
is a lot of votes...so i have my fingers crossed...it is hard to
believe that there is that many jew haters in the usa....and you seem
to say that there should not be loyalty to the jews.....and they are
socialist....hey all of europe is socialist...and yet i have never
seen one jew wanting to hop up in bed with a russian or a chinese and
go against our will.....so if they want socialism no big deal.....now
the un voted to create the state of israel...and protect them from
harm via the arabs...do you not feel a need for the usa to keep its
word or just walk away and let them die.....that aint good...of course
we expect it from the rest of the world...but cant we rise above the
sorry behavior of the rest of the world ...i think so....jz

On Jun 29, 4:54 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
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> There is a prophesy that says after this current Pope there is only
> one left. So I guess that could fit depending on how long this Pope
> lives and how long the next Pope is around before the antichrist
> comes on the scene, either the idea that Obama is the antichrist or
> the antichrist is still a generation or so off. But of course the idea
> of Obama being the Antichrist fits better with Mayan prophesy.
>
> I always thought of the antichrist being European though and becoming
> the head of a new Roman Empire (ie the EU).

If I was sure, I mean absolutely without a doubt one hundred percent
sure that Obama was the antichrist then I guess I would vote for Juan
McCain.

But I would have to be 100 percent sure.

On Jun 29, 7:01 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
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> If I was sure, I mean absolutely without a doubt one hundred percent
> sure that Obama was the antichrist then I guess I would vote for Juan
> McCain.
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well Anna....i like mexicans but they are an ignorant race of people
with more pride than all the rest of the world....and those two things
are like water and oil they do not mix.....but let me paint you a
picture you will like....if mcain and g bush that speaks spanish well
could arrange a behind the scenes agreement to make mexico the
greatest state in the us and we did not have a border and we could
settle mexico and travel there and go to all those ancient ruins and
be safe and buy that cheap property and make room in our cities and
and and on and on....would you like that...i bet you would....see
dreams can come true you know....jz

On Jun 29, 7:12 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
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> are like water and oil they do not mix.....but let me paint you a
> picture you will like....if mcain and g bush that speaks spanish well
> could arrange a behind the scenes agreement to make mexico the
> greatest state in the us and we did not have a border and we could
> settle mexico and travel there and go to all those ancient ruins and
> be safe and buy that cheap property and make room in our cities and
> and and on and on....would you like that...i bet you would....see
> dreams can come true you know....jz- Hide quoted text -
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and i can just see it now....ol mcain and bush sitting in your living
room and you hopping from the lap of macain and bush and callin em
both daddy....he he.....jz

On Jun 29, 4:55 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
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> well it is not cast in stone although the polls show him two digits
> ahead....peer groups are hard to tap into when taking polls....the
> hillary peer group has 23 percent that is voting for mccain and that
> is a lot of votes...so i have my fingers crossed..

I am sorry, forget the polls, when I am as sure of something like I am
sure of this I am never wrong. Baring an act of God (or a very angry
woman with the initials H.R.C) that somehow makes him physically
impossible to be President (planes do crash you know), B. Huissein
Obama will be our next President. Call it a curse but I am never wrong
when I am so certain about something like I am about this.

On Jun 29, 7:47 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
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>> I am sorry, forget the polls, when I am as sure of something like I am
> sure of this I am never wrong. Baring an act of God (or a very angry
> woman with the initials H.R.C) that somehow makes him physically
> impossible to be President (planes do crash you know), B. Huissein
> Obama will be our next President. Call it a curse but I am never wrong
> when I am so certain about something like I am about this.- Hide quoted text -
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well i certainly am not going to bet the farm on it....but God has
come through for us when we needed him most....and i see we need a
miracle now.....but if he is elected i do not see him being around
very long....jz

On Jun 29, 4:55 pm, Zee <jonZ> wrote:
>it is hard to
> believe that there is that many jew haters in the usa....and you seem
> to say that there should not be loyalty to the jews.....

I don't hate the Jews, but why be loyal to them (except for the
Biblical reason)?

> and they are
> socialist....hey all of europe is socialist...and yet i have never
> seen one jew wanting to hop up in bed with a russian or a chinese and
> go against our will.....

You obviously don't read some of the Jewish Bloggers that I do.

http://english.webster.co.il/

And while there are some very, very strongly conservative Jews in
America, historically politically in America most of the Jews have
been liberal. In 2006 they even went against one of their own to vote
for an Muslim Yes, there was a Jew running against an Arab in a
political race in an American Congressional District and the Jewish
community actually threw it support to the Muslim in opposition to the
Jew.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/08/muslim.elect/

If that's their definition of loyalty, I don't need it!


>...so if they want socialism no big deal.....now

It's their country. If they want to destroy it in that way, then fine
with me.

> the un voted to create the state of israel...and protect them from
> harm via the arabs...do you not feel a need for the usa to keep its
> word or just walk away and let them die.....that aint good...of course

Well in general its good to keep your word for the plain fact that if
you don't its harder to get allies. So, no letting them die wouldn't
be the best thing. I said we are in for some ugly times. But part of
me thinks that the Jews made their own bed (like the example with the
Congressman) so now let them lay in it.

> we expect it from the rest of the world...but cant we rise above the
> sorry behavior of the rest of the world ...i think so....jz

No, when it comes to international relations and geo-politics you have
to be hard headed and not let emotions and sympathizes to get in your
way but instead to do your best to protect the interests of your own
country. Not Mexico, not Kenya, not Vietnam, not Iraq or even Israel.
Americans should expect that our leaders fight for our interests and
everything below that is to only serve to protect our interests. If
it is in the US interest to protect Israel we should. If it isn't we
shouldn't. It is as simple as that but of course all the money that
AIPAC and the other foreign interest lobbies throw at our politicians
makes them tend to lose focus on that.

On Jun 29, 6:04 pm, Anna <annalidd> wrote:
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> And while there are some very, very strongly conservative Jews in
> America, historically politically in America most of the Jews have
> been liberal. In 2006 they even went against one of their own to vote
> for an Muslim Yes, there was a Jew running against an Arab in a
> political race in an American Congressional District and the Jewish
> community actually threw it support to the Muslim in opposition to the
> Jew.
>
> [..]
>

Actually I guess the guy wasn't an Arab. UNLIKE OBAMA he actually was
black. But he was Muslim and his main opponent was a Jewish Guy. But
the majority of the jewish community including their leading jewish
newspaper went against the Jewish guy to elect America's first Muslim
Congressman.

And then you ask me about loyalty to the jews? Why? Is this their
definition of loyalty? And don't quote from the Bible here. But
geopolitically what does our very, very tight alliance with Israeli
tangibly give us that a less close relationship wouldn't?

> it is hard to
> believe that there is that many jew haters in the usa....and you seem
> to say that there should not be loyalty to the jews.....and they are
> socialist....

http://english.webster.co.il

And then you look how decadent their society has become and perhaps it
is unfair as you can find decadence everywhere in the west but then
you look at what was going on during the Weimar Republic, and even the
names of lots of decadent people here and it sure makes you wonder if
there is something to it.

When I read their blogs I can tell from many of them that the
stereotype of the Self Hating Jew exists. Boy it really exists. So it
gets to the point of how can you help a people who are continuously
sabotaging themselves. And again, why even bother. Israel isn't
America. It's not one of our states. As an American my loyalty is to
America just like an Australian citizen's loyalty is to Australia, a
Canadians' loyalty is to Canada, etc, etc. My loyalty to Israel
extends only as far as it is in America's interest to extend, so I am
just saying how is it in our national interests to have such a tight,
tight relationship with Israel?