Promises promises! Well at least they are against the turd runway.

"A third runway at Heathrow airport would be scrapped by a Tory
government that would instead build a £20bn TGV-style high speed rail
link between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds.

In one of David Cameron's boldest moves on the environment, the party
will today unveil plans to cut 66,000 flights a year from Heathrow by
tempting passengers on to the first new rail line north of London in
more than a century.

Theresa Villiers, the shadow transport secretary, told the Guardian
last night: "This is a seriously green decision. A few years ago it
would have been inconceivable for the leader of the Conservative party
to say no to a third runway and putting the brakes on Heathrow
expansion."

The announcement, on the second day of the party's conference in
Birmingham, is designed to show that the party has not abandoned its
"Vote Blue, Go Green" agenda in the face of the economic downturn.
Gordon Brown has warned that some Tory green plans would jeopardise
economic development, but Cameron hopes to blunt any Labour attack by
outlining detailed plans to tempt airline passengers on to the
railways..."

More:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ence.transport

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:12:52 -0700 (PDT), Doug <jagmad>
wrote:

[..]
>Birmingham, is designed to show that the party has not abandoned its
>"Vote Blue, Go Green" agenda in the face of the economic downturn.
>Gordon Brown has warned that some Tory green plans would jeopardise
>economic development, but Cameron hopes to blunt any Labour attack by
>outlining detailed plans to tempt airline passengers on to the
>railways..."
>
>More:
>
>[..]


I assume that this means you will be voting Conservative at the next
election?

Doug wrote:
[..]
> railways..."
>
> More:
>
> [..]
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> [..]
> Travel broadens the damage.

Sounds good in theory, but the article gives no details of how it would
be carried out & haw it would get round the various problems.
So at the moment 'pie in the sky'

Doug wrote:
[..]
> railways..."
>
> More:
>
> [..]
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> [..]
> Travel broadens the damage.

What are you going to do when you run out of 'killer' car drivers
though, Doug? You gonna start on killer train drivers to get your daily
sticky moment?

Brian.

"Doug" <jagmad> wrote in message
news:8dba

> "A third runway at Heathrow airport would be scrapped by a Tory
> government that would instead build a £20bn TGV-style high speed rail
> link between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds....

I would have to get to London to use it, which I suspect would mean that
flying from Southampton would still be a quicker way to get to Leeds.

Colin Bignell

"nightjar" <cpb> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

> I would have to get to London to use it, which I suspect would mean that
> flying from Southampton would still be a quicker way to get to Leeds.

Move. Duh!

Petert <peterthomas8899> gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

> I assume that this means you will be voting Conservative at the next
> election?

Of course. Won't all Daily Wail readers?

On 29 Sep, 08:39, Brian Robertson <me> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>>
>>
>> What are you going to do when you run out of 'killer' car drivers
> though, Doug? You gonna start on killer train drivers to get your daily
> sticky moment?
>
I am not responsible for what is considered transport news by the
media. It just so happens there are more killer motorists than train
drivers.

Doug <jagmad> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> Promises promises! Well at least they are against the turd runway.
>
> "A third runway at Heathrow airport would be scrapped by a Tory
> government that would instead build a £20bn TGV-style high speed rail
> link between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds.

Seems like a good idea to me, although I'm not sure it's going to remove
enough flights from Heathrow (and Stansted, Luton, Gatwick) to make the
third runway unnecessary.

<checks> Yup, just under 500,000 "aircraft movements" at Heathrow last
year - so it'll take just under 10% off. It won't even reduce the
domestic journeys with most potential benefit - Edinburgh, Glasgow.

And I can't wait to watch the tree-huggers in a dilemma when they find
out how much infrastructure work would be needed - just look at their
reaction over the (relatively minor) CTRL.

On 29 Sep, 08:12, Doug <jag> wrote:
> Promises promises! Well at least they are against the turd runway.

I would welcome the building of such a rail link. I'm sure, however,
that the moment it becomes a reality you will start whining about it.

Doug wrote:

> "A third runway at Heathrow airport would be scrapped by a Tory
> government that would instead build a £20bn TGV-style high speed rail
> link between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds.

Leeds??? Why not York, then they can link up easily with trains to
Edinburgh...

On 29 Sep 2008 07:50:12 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs> wrote:

>Petert <peterthomas8899> gurgled happily, sounding much
>like they were saying:
>
>> I assume that this means you will be voting Conservative at the next
>> election?
>
>Of course. Won't all Daily Wail readers?

Of course - silly me. I suppose this also confirms Dhung as not being
an anarchist? I can't imagine a REAL anarchist reading the Wail, can
you?

On 29 Sep, 11:23, Petert <peterthomas8> wrote:
> On 29 Sep 2008 07:50:12 GMT, Adrian <toomany2> wrote:
>
> >Petert <peterthomas8> gurgled happily, sounding much
> >like they were saying:
>
> >> I assume that this means you will be voting Conservative at the next
> >> election?
>
> >Of course. Won't all Daily Wail readers?
>
> Of course - silly me. I suppose this also confirms Dhung as not being
> an anarchist? I can't imagine a REAL anarchist reading the Wail, can
> you?

No self-respecting anarchist would even read the Wail, let alone post
stories from it on an almost daily basis. Given that Gollum is
neither self-respecting (he is self-abusing, but that's not quite the
same thing) nor an anarchist, however, his reliance on the Mail is not
altogether surprising.

On Sep 29, 9:29�am, Abo <n...@spam.thanks> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > "A third runway at Heathrow airport would be scrapped by a Tory
> > government that would instead build a �20bn TGV-style high speed rail
> > link between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds.
>
> Leeds??? Why not York, then they can link up easily with trains to
> Edinburgh...

Unless we cock things up in the way that modern day Britain seems
uniquely placed to do, the new line will be available for trains to
further north, including Scotland, to use for part of their journey
thus accelerating them as well.

Of course the British way will be to build it as a totally free
standing operation with no link to those other "nasty train operators"
from whom it could catch a disease. While we are at it, lets build it
5ft gauge to make sure.

George

Petert <peter.thomas8899> gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

>>> I assume that this means you will be voting Conservative at the next
>>> election?

>>Of course. Won't all Daily Wail readers?

> Of course - silly me. I suppose this also confirms Dhung as not being an
> anarchist? I can't imagine a REAL anarchist reading the Wail, can you?

Well, there IS the "Know thine enemy" angle - but that's unlikely given
how often Duhg posts stories from it here.

Mind you, the fact he's usually wailing for more legislation also points
away from him being an anarchist.