One of ours - the upper hinge on the door beneath the sink, where the
kitchen bin lives - persistently slips, and tightening has become almost
part of the daily routine. This is the back screw on the hinge adjuster
(the left of the two visible in the pictures below), which is supposed to
keep things in place, once the alignment of the door has been adjusted. It
seems that SWMBO's operation of the door in question is more vigorous than
mine as, when she's in the kitchen, the hinge slips in no time, and she's
complaining about the door drooping when it's opened.
Suggestions that she might be leaning her weight downwards on the door are
not well received, but it doesn't happen with such certainty when only I am
in the house. ;-)
I've tried tightening the keep-screw (dunno what to call it, it's the one
on the left) before screwing in the adjustment screw [1], but it makes no
difference. FWIW, the mount plate, screwed into the sidewall of the
cupboard carcass, is firmly located.
Would something like Loctite be an effective solution to this problem?

Correctly positioned:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...2/DSC01650.jpg

Slipped: http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...2/DSC01651.jpg
(difference is small, but discernable).

[1] Yes, I know both screws are used to adjust the alignment of the door,
but it's easier to describe thus.

Appelation Controlee <me> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

> Suggestions that she might be leaning her weight downwards on
> the door are not well received

Wouldn't it be a shame if that part of the door developed splinters?

Appelation Controlee wrote:
[..]
> Would something like Loctite be an effective solution to this problem?
>
> Correctly positioned:
> [..]
>
> Slipped: [..]
> (difference is small, but discernable).
>
> [1] Yes, I know both screws are used to adjust the alignment of the door,
> but it's easier to describe thus.
If the screw is not holding due a stripped thread then loctite wont help.
It looks to me like a poor design. The screw which allow the back to
front movement to be adjusted should be more central on the back plate.
so there is less stress on the screw.
Another thing that kills thes hinges is allowing them to self close. The
shock on closure wears pivot pins and loosens screws in the chipboard. A
little oil from time to time prolongs life too.

Do you have another door which gets much less use? if so swap the
hinge and/or back plate over. Oh yes finally, retrain the family too!!

Bob

Appelation Controlee wrote:
> One of ours - the upper hinge on the door beneath the sink, where the
> kitchen bin lives - persistently slips, and tightening has become almost
> part of the daily routine. This is the back screw on the hinge adjuster
> (the left of the two visible in the pictures below), which is supposed to
> keep things in place, once the alignment of the door has been adjusted. It
> seems that SWMBO's operation of the door in question is more vigorous than
> mine as, when she's in the kitchen, the hinge slips in no time, and she's
> complaining about the door drooping when it's opened.
> Suggestions that she might be leaning her weight downwards on the door are
> not well received, but it doesn't happen with such certainty when only I am
> in the house. ;-)
<>

I would suggest you replace the hinge. Quite a few use the same screw
and hinge hole positions. Have a look at the Blum Clip
hinges. (Can't offhand remember exact positions, and there is a slight
difference depending on carcase thickness. All details in the PDF linked
below.) Even if the position is different, it isn't that hard to fill
existing and make new ones in more or less the same position. (I use a
Blum template - available at places that supply hinges for a few pounds.)

<http://www.blum.com/pdf/BUS/1046_hinge_b/1046_hinges_b.pdf>

Obtainable in many places - and specifically my local supplier, Isaac Lord.

<http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/categoryOverview.aspx?subCat=366&parentCat=5/366>

The Blum Clip hinges are a dream to adjust - at fitting time or later.
And the door can simply be unclipped from the cupboard at any time.

Make sure you get the appropriate form of screw fitting - they are
available for system screws (like you have) and for ordinary woodscrews.

If you do this, I *highly* recommend the Blumotion soft close devices
that simply clip to the Clip hinges. Far, far better than the ones that
fit on the opening side. With a heavy door and bin, might be best to fit
two.

> Appelation Controlee wrote:

I assume the bin isn't attached to the back of the door? If so, remove it.
Bins, racks etc put too much stress on hinges.

With some hinges (if the screw is long enough) its possible to use a plain
steel washer, which gives a bit more surface area to grip.

Rod wrote:
[..]
> And the door can simply be unclipped from the cupboard at any time.
>
> Make sure you get the appropriate form of screw fitting - they are
> available for system screws (like you have) and for ordinary woodscrews.
>
> If you do this, I *highly* recommend the Blumotion soft close devices
> that simply clip to the Clip hinges. Far, far better than the ones that
> fit on the opening side. With a heavy door and bin, might be best to fit
> two.
>

That adjustment screw seems to be a long way out. Is it tight? Does the
other hinge have the same amount of thread showing?

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:28:25 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

>
> I assume the bin isn't attached to the back of the door? If so, remove it.
> Bins, racks etc put too much stress on hinges.
>
> With some hinges (if the screw is long enough) its possible to use a plain
> steel washer, which gives a bit more surface area to grip.

No, the bin simply stands inside the cupboard.
The thread onb the screw is fine, but I'll try your sufgestion re. a
washer. Thanks. :-)

On 30 Jan 2009 12:28:19 GMT, Adrian wrote:

> Appelation Controlee <me> gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
>> Suggestions that she might be leaning her weight downwards on
>> the door are not well received
>
> Wouldn't it be a shame if that part of the door developed splinters?

<G>
And, in case that might have been mis-read that my wife is heavy, she
surely ain't.

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:05:02 GMT, Stuart Noble wrote:

-------------------8><
> That adjustment screw seems to be a long way out. Is it tight? Does the
> other hinge have the same amount of thread showing?

Yes, the screw is tight, and the other hinge is more-or-less similarly
adjusted. The carcasses are old (I supect 30-ish years), and there is the
odd bit of departure from trueness. I fitted the white doors (B&Q) as a
part of a budget makeover job a few years ago, and the hinge sets are those
that came with the doors.

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:22:36 +0000, Rod wrote:

[..]
> The Blum Clip hinges are a dream to adjust - at fitting time or later.
> And the door can simply be unclipped from the cupboard at any time.
>
> Make sure you get the appropriate form of screw fitting - they are
> available for system screws (like you have) and for ordinary woodscrews.
>
> If you do this, I *highly* recommend the Blumotion soft close devices
> that simply clip to the Clip hinges. Far, far better than the ones that
> fit on the opening side. With a heavy door and bin, might be best to fit
> two.

Nice looking stuff, which I will follow up. Thanks. :-)

On 30 Jan, 12:25, Appelation Controlee <m> wrote:
[..]
> cupboard carcass, is firmly located.
> Would something like Loctite be an effective solution to this problem?
>
> Correctly positioned:[..]
>
> Slipped:[..]
> (difference is small, but discernable).
>
> [1] Yes, I know both screws are used to adjust the alignment of the door,
> but it's easier to describe thus.

The covering plate (attached to the door) looks rather separated from
the back plate (attached to the side wall of the cupboard) In the
couple of types I use the outer plate partly covers the inner plate.
Are you sure they're alligned and seated together correctly? If not
then the back screw isn't making enough contact/pressure and will
slip.

Toom

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:51:35 -0800 (PST), Toom Tabard wrote:

-------------------8><
> The covering plate (attached to the door) looks rather separated from
> the back plate (attached to the side wall of the cupboard) In the
> couple of types I use the outer plate partly covers the inner plate.
> Are you sure they're alligned and seated together correctly? If not
> then the back screw isn't making enough contact/pressure and will
> slip.

The second picture is after the slip has occurred, so there's no longer any
tension on the covering plate (from the right-hand screw).

On 30 Jan, 17:03, Appelation Controlee <m> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:51:35 -0800 (PST), Toom Tabard wrote:
>
> -------------------8><
>
> > The covering plate (attached to the door) looks rather separated from
> > the back plate (attached to the side wall of the cupboard) In the
> > couple of types I use the outer plate partly covers the inner plate.
> > Are you sure they're alligned and seated together correctly? If not
> > then the back screw isn't making enough contact/pressure and will
> > slip.
>
> The second picture is after the slip has occurred, so there's no longer any
> tension on the covering plate (from the right-hand screw).

Yes, however I am talking about the first picture. The outer plate
covers over the edges of the inner plate on the two types I've got in
my house.

Toom

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:03:18 +0000, Appelation Controlee wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:51:35 -0800 (PST), Toom Tabard wrote:
>
> -------------------8><
>> The covering plate (attached to the door) looks rather separated from
>> the back plate (attached to the side wall of the cupboard) In the
>> couple of types I use the outer plate partly covers the inner plate.
>> Are you sure they're alligned and seated together correctly? If not
>> then the back screw isn't making enough contact/pressure and will slip.
>
> The second picture is after the slip has occurred, so there's no longer
> any tension on the covering plate (from the right-hand screw).

On the hinges I've used the grubscrew at the front adjusts for left-to-
rightness of the door when closed, and the one at the back locks it into
place and adjust front to back. You half undo that one to let the door
slide forward and off.

Is it that screw which comes loose? On ours I just tried leaning on the
door and the cabinet started making ominous creakings with no sign of the
hinges pulling away at all.

"PCPaul" <urd3> wrote in message
news:6388
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:03:18 +0000, Appelation Controlee wrote:
>> On the hinges I've used the grubscrew at the front adjusts for left-to-
> rightness of the door when closed, and the one at the back locks it into
> place and adjust front to back. You half undo that one to let the door
> slide forward and off.
>
> Is it that screw which comes loose? On ours I just tried leaning on the
> door and the cabinet started making ominous creakings with no sign of the
> hinges pulling away at all.
>
You have been the victim of "woman's misuse of cupboard doors - take care -
she will also close drawers from one side causing the runners to wear. Does
she claim to be just resting her hand on the door whilst putting things in
the bin? Did the designer take this misuse into account when doing stress
calculations on the hinge design or did he naively believe the hinge only
had to take the weight of the door?