Gumrat wrote:
> a l l y wrote:
> You can set up gmail to notify you of mails at your usual address, if
> you want. I think, I can't remember how but I'm fairly sure the option's
> there.
> Otherwise, you can set up gmail in your ordinary email message thingy
> (I've compeletely umbrella'd what Thunderbird, for example, is, exactly)
> rather than having to remember to go via the net to check for incoming
> mail.

Client. Yes, you can send and receive via gmail using POP3 from your
normal mail client, which means that you don't have to remember to check
on the webmail service. It's a bit complex as they don't use the
standard ports, but there are clear instructions available for setting
it up.

"the Omrud" <usenet.omrud> wrote in message
news:2766
> Gumrat wrote:
>
> Client. Yes, you can send and receive via gmail using POP3 from your
> normal mail client, which means that you don't have to remember to check
> on the webmail service. It's a bit complex as they don't use the standard
> ports, but there are clear instructions available for setting it up.
>
That's useful. I'll check this out. I have at least one contact who insists
on using my gmail address, and no matter how much I plead with him to use my
normal one he always forgets, and then wonders why I never reply to his
emails!

ally

Can't say anything about the Yahoo issue, but Gmail does use
standard ports, and I recommend setting Thunderbird up to use not
POP but IMAP with the following:

Incoming server imap.gmail.com, with SSL

In the "Advanced" dialogue, enter [Google Mail] as IMAP server directory

Don't start a connection before you've made these two settings
(the wizard doesn't offer these, you need to cancel the password
request and go into Account Settings to make the changes)

Outgoing server smtp.gmail.com, with TLS, port 587 (alright, this is
only "semi-standard")

Use your full email address as user name for both directions.

Oh and you have to enable IMAP in the Gmail web interface if you
haven't done so before.

Sebastian

I forgot to add that the "Gmail" option under "New account" will
set you up to access via POP, so don't use that - set it up as
any old "Email account".

Sebastian

Colin Blackburn <news> writes:
>the Omrud wrote:
>
>Sorry, but isn't this about the email coming from a different server
>rather than what the end recipient sees in the headers? I.e it's how the
>Yahoo/btinternet servers interpret the email rather than how Outlook
>displays it when it finally gets there?

indeed.

fwiw, there was a post on ukmm yesterday from a university postmaster
whose yahoo mail is flowing moderately freely, while bt* addresses are
being delayed. he had >5000 messages in backlog.

another site has decreased its retry times for sending to yahoo
servers; since retries normally "back off" (a longer period between
4th & 5th retries than there was between 3rd & 4th, for example),
keeping on banging away at 10-minute intervals minimises the lost time
between yahoo deciding to allow _that_ message and the server trying
it again. it's cut down his queue lengths quite a bit, he says.

why yahoo/bt* mail users aren't complaining to yahoo is quite beyond
me. i would recommend people to go for *any* isp rather than one that
offers yahoo-based mail as standard.