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#1
07.03.2010, 19:22
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"Give me the child, and I will mould the man."
"Give me the child for seven years, and I will give you the man." "Give me the child until he is seven and I care not who has him thereafter." "Give me the child till the age of seven and I will show you the man." Seems that this does not apply to the rehabilitation Of Venables and Thompson from the age of ten. In eight years the authorities had the chance to educate them to a level where they could have gone on to higher education from and made something of their lives. Both are reported to be drug users,one a Homosexual and both reported to be doing unskilled work. Derek. |
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#2
07.03.2010, 20:57
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In message <vWTkn.16904$ND2.6603>, Derek F
<lordpilrig> writes >"Give me the child, and I will mould the man." > >"Give me the child for seven years, >and I will give you the man." > >"Give me the child until he is >seven and I care not who has him thereafter." > >"Give me the child till the age of seven >and I will show you the man." > >Seems that this does not apply to the rehabilitation Of Venables and >Thompson from the age of ten. In eight years the authorities had the >chance to educate them to a level where they could have gone on to >higher education from and made something of their lives. Both are >reported to be drug users,one a Homosexual and both reported to be >doing unskilled work. >Derek. (Allegedly).. They didn't have the child until he was 10 (or older), the parents did. Did they have a TV in their bedroom, were they allowed to watch violent movies? The chance of a fair trial for Venables on whatever rumoured charges he now faces are non-existent, thanks to the media. |
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#3
07.03.2010, 22:01
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On 07/03/2010 in message <vWTkn.16904$ND2.6603> Derek F wrote:
>Both are reported to be drug users,one a Homosexual and both reported to >be doing unskilled work. An ideal couple to enter into a civil marriage and adopt a child then. |
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#4
07.03.2010, 22:06
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:22:50 +0000, Derek F wrote:
> "Give me the child, and I will mould the man." > > "Give me the child for seven years, > and I will give you the man." > > "Give me the child until he is > seven and I care not who has him thereafter." > > "Give me the child till the age of seven and I will show you the man." > > Seems that this does not apply to the rehabilitation Of Venables and > Thompson from the age of ten. In eight years the authorities had the > chance to educate them to a level where they could have gone on to > higher education from and made something of their lives. Both are > reported to be drug users,one a Homosexual and both reported to be doing > unskilled work. Two of those quotes specify "until seven", so the rehabilitation was three years too late. |
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#5
07.03.2010, 22:47
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Gordon H wrote:
> In message <vWTkn.16904$ND2.6603>, Derek F > <lordpilrig> writes > > (Allegedly).. > > They didn't have the child until he was 10 (or older), the parents did. > Did they have a TV in their bedroom, were they allowed to watch violent > movies? > > The chance of a fair trial for Venables on whatever rumoured charges he > now faces are non-existent, thanks to the media. Reports say that they had TV and computers. They evidently had a set bedtime but I doubt it their lights were turned out. They can have a trial with just a Judge as the two Heathrow robbers are having. Possibly as he has been recalled they can leave whatever the charge is on file. Derek Derek |
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#6
07.03.2010, 23:07
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Gordon H wrote:
> In message <vWTkn.16904$ND2.6603>, Derek F > <lordpilrig> writes > > (Allegedly).. > > They didn't have the child until he was 10 (or older), the parents did. > Did they have a TV in their bedroom, were they allowed to watch violent > movies? > > The chance of a fair trial for Venables on whatever rumoured charges he > now faces are non-existent, thanks to the media. He evidently had one prior to the killing. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-Bulger.html Derek |
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#7
08.03.2010, 09:08
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In message <PWWkn.247554$OX4.73229>, Derek F
<lordpilrig> writes >Gordon H wrote: >Reports say that they had TV and computers. They evidently had a set >bedtime but I doubt it their lights were turned out. >They can have a trial with just a Judge as the two Heathrow robbers are >having. Possibly as he has been recalled they can leave whatever the >charge is on file. >Derek Yes, the thought crossed my mind that a jury trial was out of the question. Best just lock him up until he can be re-assessed. |
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#8
08.03.2010, 09:11
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In message <GcXkn.35649$_v6.35636>, Derek F
<lordpilrig> writes >Gordon H wrote: >He evidently had one prior to the killing. >[..] >ing-Jon-Venables-weeks-killed-James-Bulger.html >Derek Weird... Of course kids do some weird drawings, as some portraits of their parents show... ;-) |
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#9
08.03.2010, 09:42
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On 07/03/2010 20:22, Derek F wrote:
> "Give me the child, and I will mould the man." > > "Give me the child for seven years, > and I will give you the man." > > "Give me the child until he is > seven and I care not who has him thereafter." > > "Give me the child till the age of seven > and I will show you the man." > > Seems that this does not apply to the rehabilitation Of Venables and > Thompson from the age of ten. In eight years the authorities had the > chance to educate them to a level where they could have gone on to > higher education from and made something of their lives. Both are > reported to be drug users,one a Homosexual and both reported to be doing > unskilled work. > Derek. If YOU do not know his new name/identity, nor your neighbour, nor him down the road,, nor that woman in the pub in the next town, how might members of any jury know him from any other person to stand before them? So why the secrecy as to his supposed misdemeanour this time? the secrecy is there ONLY to protect the authorities from scorn and ridicule for letting him out |
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#10
08.03.2010, 12:00
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In message <bw4ln.272226$6i7.253812>, gruffydd
<griff> writes > >If YOU do not know his new name/identity, nor your neighbour, nor him >down the road,, nor that woman in the pub in the next town, how might >members of any jury know him from any other person to stand before >them? So why the secrecy as to his supposed misdemeanour this time? >the secrecy is there ONLY to protect the authorities from scorn and >ridicule for letting him out The seventeen police vehicles accompanying the van carrying him, and the huge posse of media people around the courtroom might give a clue. They know who he is, and only an injunction has stopped them revealing his new identity and further details. They have quoted "sources" who claim to have been in Liverpool clubs, and described how he stayed later than his mates, and slept on the railway platform before getting the morning train back to wherever he lives. |
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#11
08.03.2010, 14:16
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"gruffydd" <griff> wrote in message
news:3812 > > If YOU do not know his new name/identity, nor your neighbour, nor him down > the road,, nor that woman in the pub in the next town, how might members > of any jury know him from any other person to stand before them? So why > the secrecy as to his supposed misdemeanour this time? the secrecy is > there ONLY to protect the authorities from scorn and ridicule for letting > him out I must admit that I'm inclined to feel that way too. |
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#12
08.03.2010, 14:18
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"Gordon H" <Gordon_News> wrote in message
news:fwsq > In message <bw4ln.272226$6i7.253812>, gruffydd > <griff> writes >> >>If YOU do not know his new name/identity, nor your neighbour, nor him down >>the road,, nor that woman in the pub in the next town, how might members >>of any jury know him from any other person to stand before them? So why >>the secrecy as to his supposed misdemeanour this time? the secrecy is >>there ONLY to protect the authorities from scorn and ridicule for letting >>him out > > The seventeen police vehicles accompanying the van carrying him, and the > huge posse of media people around the courtroom might give a clue. > They know who he is, and only an injunction has stopped them revealing his > new identity and further details. And in this day of the Internet I'm surprised it hasn't been leaked there. |
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#13
08.03.2010, 15:28
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In message <7vkj7nFq1vU3>, Rabbit
<Rabbit_is> writes >"gruffydd" <griff> wrote in message >news:3812 >> >> If YOU do not know his new name/identity, nor your neighbour, nor him down >> the road,, nor that woman in the pub in the next town, how might members >> of any jury know him from any other person to stand before them? So why >> the secrecy as to his supposed misdemeanour this time? the secrecy is >> there ONLY to protect the authorities from scorn and ridicule for letting >> him out > >I must admit that I'm inclined to feel that way too. I don't think so, I think it is the horrendous cost of changing his identity yet again, and it would be more difficult now that he is 27 years old. Have we got to pay for plastic surgery this time? |
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#14
08.03.2010, 15:58
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On 08/03/2010 16:28, Gordon H wrote:
> Have we got to pay for plastic surgery this time? all it needs is a scalpel applied to the neck, and drawn around it, all around it |
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#15
08.03.2010, 17:00
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gruffydd wrote:
> > If YOU do not know his new name/identity, nor your neighbour, nor him > down the road,, nor that woman in the pub in the next town, how might > members of any jury know him from any other person to stand before them? If a 27 year old man with a Liverpool accent is charged with possessing child pornography and turns up in court in the next few days, the jury might jump to conclusions. Don't forget: jurors are now drawn from the general population and about half the population are of less than average intelligence. > So why the secrecy as to his supposed misdemeanour this time? the > secrecy is there ONLY to protect the authorities from scorn and ridicule > for letting him out The authorities are following the judge's sentence requirements. |
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